We encourage the practice of ethical archaeology in the discovery of the history of Huronia (northern Simcoe County) through archaeological research and discussion of the historic record and oral tradition. Please feel free to comment and or join and post on the blog. Blog contents do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Ontario Archaeological Society or the Huronia chapter.
Monday, November 27, 2006
OAS Chapter in the Works.
Thursday, August 03, 2006
Current dig in Huronia
Tuesday, July 18, 2006
Saturday, July 15, 2006
From Research to Action
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Opportunity for Repatriation?
We know that Dr Tache collection went to LaVal University but they claim not to be able to find it. I'm not sure what happened to the Bawtree collection but it would be interesting to try and tract it down and if the Wendat were interested and willing perhaps at least some of these sacred remains and artifacts could be taken out of the museums, universities and private collection and reburied in their proper place.
Monday, July 03, 2006
Elliotts Corner & Ste Louis?
Steve mentioned the site of a bonepit he was aware of behind the firehall on Old Fort Rd. I have noted that this site corresponds to A F Hunter's site # 10, as the east 1/2 of lot 10 Conc 3 Tay. I have copied to this post part of Hunter's notes and see a reference to Ste Louis that caught my attention. (enlarge to read)
I have also noted on review of this area that there is a known ossuary in Candlelight Village just west of here on the west 1/2 of lot 10 Conc 3 Tay described by Hunter as his site # 11 and also that on the east 1/2 of lot 9 Conc 3 Tay (Hunter site 12 Tay).
Thursday, June 29, 2006
I have dusted off my membership application for the OAS and would encourage others who are not already members to check out the organization and consider joining aswell. The more members that they have in this area the better chance there is that a chapter could be formed.
Just a Discussion Group
I think it's time to be clear that there is no Huronia Historical Association.
Instead what is taking place is that you are acting without consulting with anyone else. Without asking for consensus you are representing yourself as the leader of an association. And I recall, yes, you saying what is an association. That seems a little disingenuous. For me an association is a formal or semi-formal group of people who have agreed to act together under some sort of agreed upon rules. That has not happened. Maybe an organizing meeting should take place, maybe not.
Wednesday, June 28, 2006
Ste. Ignace revisited
Thursday, June 22, 2006
Monday, June 19, 2006
Ste Marie Revisited
Why is the site we see not the site as seen and excavated people like Kenneth Kidd?
Saturday, June 17, 2006
Why were there no horses?
The Spanish, if I recall brought horses over to Central America, why did the French or for that matter the British or Dutch not bring horses to the New World in the 1600's.
It would appear that the French and Jesuits managed to bring all the other animals of Old MacDonald's farm up to Ste. Marie, why not a horse?
Think of how much easier or at least quicker travel would have been between missions if they had.
When did the first horse arrive in Huronia? Who brought it and how?
Wednesday, June 14, 2006
St. Louis items - Huronia Museum only place
I had a conversation yesterday with Jamie Hunter, Huronia Museum in Midland, about St. Louis. I asked where one could go to see materials excavated from the site. Royal Ontario Museum? University of Western Ontario? Simcoe County Museum? Penetanguishene Centennial Museum? Nope. The only place and it is a good place to visit for many other reasons to see items from St. Louis is the Huronia Museum in Midland, Ontario. Beads, wampum shells, arrow heads (notched and unnotched) and clear signs of long European contact (nails, hinges).
Clearly when in the area, you MUST visit the Huronia Museum, in Midland, Ontario.
Tuesday, June 13, 2006
Ontario Heritage tool kit
FYI - some of you may already be aware of this, but others may not.
Monday, June 12, 2006
no Wikipedia article on Huronia or Ste. Marie Among the Hurons.
There is an article on Samuel Champlain, but very little about his visit to Huronia.
I have no experience writing or editing a Wikipedia article. If you look at one of the articles, be sure to look at the tabs on the top of the article: "article" "discussion" "edit" "history".
Sunday, June 11, 2006
" Thanks. I got it O.K. and have just skimmed through it. What a lot of information is included!
Right now, I can't think of any information I could add, but I sure can learn a lot from what is there. I am very much interested in the Huron Missions, and all that took place in Huronia after Champlain's arrival. But my information is second hand, as I have not had time available to do original research.
Thursday, June 08, 2006
OT 400 years
St. Louis - photos
Two reports, Same event?
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
Father Ragueneau's account of Ste Ignace
THE progress of the Faith kept increasing from day to day, and the blessings of Heaven were flowing down in abundance upon these peoples, when God chose to derive from them his glory in ways which are adorable, and which belong to the jurisdiction of his divine providence,—although they have been very severe for us, and were not in our expectations.
The 16th day of March in the present year, 1649, marked the beginning of our misfortunes,—if, however, that be a misfortune which no doubt has been the salvation of many of God's elect.
Tuesday, June 06, 2006
Will This Map Help?
This is the map that most historians use as their reference document for finding Huron and Catholic sites. How I wish they had GPS devices! Good luck Bill. This map was an insert in a larger map produced in 1660. There are others such as one credited to Brebeuf but not verified, and non that I am aware of that show more detail or more accuracy that can be used as primary source material.
Where are These Villages?
"A veritable Account of the Martyrdom and Blessed death of Father Jean de Brebeuf and of Father Gabriel L'Alemant, in New France, in the country of the Hurons, by the Iroquois, enemies of the Faith.
Father Jean de Brebeuf and Father Gabriel L'Alemant had set out from our cabin, to go to a small Village, called St. Ignace, distant from our cabin about a short quarter of a League, to instruct the Savages and the new Christians of that Village.
St Ignace II
St. Ignace II Huron Village and Jesuit Mission 1648-49, probable site of St. Ignace II overrun and destroyed by the Iroquois March 16-19, 1649; St. Jean de Brebeuf and St. Gabriel Lalemant were martyred here March 16-17, 1649.
St. Louis and St. Ignace II Road Signs - a little inconsistent
Sunday, June 04, 2006
More on Water Levels
Hunter and Kidd appear to have been measuring at low ebbs on the cycle and hence there estimates of 10-12ft may seem extreme to some.
Friday, June 02, 2006
Sagard's travels in Huronia 1623-24
This in an interesting interpretation of Sagard's travels and the villages he visited or mentioned in his first book Long Voyage into the Land of the Huron. Note that his arrival in this author's understanding was via Penetang Bay east of Copeland Creek and Liligan Lake where there are numerous recorded village and ossuary sites. Note also Champlain's travels and villages that he visited 8 years prior to Sagard. Did they visit the same villages?
Thursday, June 01, 2006
Champlain's Travel in Huronia Aug-Sept 1615
After crossing a bay, which forms one of the extremities of the lake,  we went some seven leagues until we arrived in the country of the Attigouautan at a village called Otoüacha, on the first day of August. (1615)
The next day (Aug 2nd1615) I went to another village, called Carmaron, a league distant from this, where they received us in a very friendly manner, making for us a banquet with their bread, squashes, and fish. As to meat, that is very scarce there. The chief of this village earnestly begged me to stay, to which I could not consent, but returned to our village, where on the next night but one, as I went out of the cabin to escape thefleas, of which there were large numbers and by which we were tormented, a girl of little modesty came boldly to me and offered to keep me company, for which I thanked her, sending her away with gentle remonstrances, and spent the night with some savages.
two crosses at Carhagouha (First Mass Site)
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
Carhagouha - 1615 site of first Mass in Ontario
August 12, 1615 first Mass celebrated in Ontario by Father Joseph LeCaron in the presence of Samuel Champlain. There are two crosses that mark this site.
Tuesday, May 30, 2006
How Long a Trip Was It?
Monday, May 29, 2006
Where is Carhagouha
Was this the place?
Sunday, May 28, 2006
1755 map of Nouvelle France
Saturday, May 27, 2006
Q? post 1651 - recommend essential texts if you would
1651-1900 what are the essential books to read?
see this link:
for an online exhibit at the Ontario Archives about 17th and 18th century French Ontario
Q? essential reading list
Friday, May 19, 2006
A Tiny bit of interest.
The have a particular current interest in Carhagouha and perhaps someone can create a post on information regarding this site, its authenticity and its history. I believe the ownership was recently transferred from the Knights of Columbus to the Shrine. Was a village site ever found here? Have excavations ever been done?
Thursday, May 18, 2006
Wednesday, May 17, 2006
Canals and Water Level.
This site plan of Ste Marie l done by Rev Hallen in 1852 shows the large trench or canal flowing freely to the Wye River and probably fed by the smaller North South trench directing the spring water from the hill where the Shrine now sits. I believe that the "canal" was filled with river water and the other drainage ditches flowed into it. I doubt that there were any locks as suggested by Jury. They would not have been required if the Wye River (Georgian Bay) water levels were up by 10-12ft over current levels.
The current program at the Ste Marie site leaves the question of the canal as a loading and docking area for the canoes up to the imagination of the visitor. I would think that this is an important enough feature of this local to warrant further science in an effort to provide a more definitive interpretation.
Tuesday, May 16, 2006
Q? Forest type during the 1600s
- So was there a deciduous/coniferous mix? How dense was it? I recall some writer somewhere saying that a squirrel before European contact could climb a tree on the shores of what is now Massachusetts and without touching the ground sashay from tree to tree to the Mississippi River. Or was that poetic license?
- Also, what effect did Wendat agriculture have on the forests? As villages cultivated land and as trees were felled for various uses, did the area have a series of denuded ground with the whole process repeated as a village was abandoned and a new village site started.
- With 20,000 people in the area, how much land was deforested for agriculture, for wood fires, for wood construction materials?
Q? Water levels of Georgian Bay in the 1600s
Sunday, May 14, 2006
Martyrs' Shrine web site page - Archives
some fascinating information and links on this page...regards, Bill
Huronia Historical Association- Mandate
Huronia Historical Association
Dedicated to the discovery and preservation of the earliest recorded history of “Old Wendake” in the geographic area now known as “Huronia”.
- Compile the historical record from existing primary and secondary source worksfrom local libraries, museums, universities and private collections.
- Map the historical geography with reference to both events and specific locations andmark sites along with historic trails and indicate events appropriately.
Globalization and Huronia historical Association
archivist, Martyrs' Shrine
Ghost Empire by Philip Marchand - bibliography
so that page has the bibliography, and this test post has a link to that page.
We could alternatively copy and paste the biblography text into a post here on this blog.
there are reasons pro and con to do it one way or the other. I don't know what they all are yet. : )
Marchand, Ghost Empire
Ghost Empire, Philip Marchand
A copy of this is on the shelves at the Midland Public Library.
Marchand describes a lot of things in this work. He writes about La Salle and his various expeditions. He visits these sites in Michigan, Illinois, Arkansas, Texas. Along the way he examines his roots as a Franco-American in Massachusetts, the pockets of French descended Americans along La Salle's routes, professional and amateur historians, re-enactors, and the near total absence of the French from historical awareness.
I enjoyed the book a great deal.
tell me about Leagues?
invitations sent out to people to become "Team Members"
Currently I have set up this blog so that any user can add comments or post. Down the road to avoid spamming and other nonsense we might want to limit the ability to add posts and comments to Team Members only.
This blog is free and is supported by Google.
Once again this is a test to see if we want to use something like this for our discussion purposes. So this is set up to test and try out features and then after a test period, perhaps a month, we can stop the test and clean up the blog and start fresh with new "for real" content or start a new blog and carry forward from there.
Saturday, May 13, 2006
photo test shows Ste. Marie Block House
Champlain landing note (J.C.W. Armstrong, Champlain)
"The accepted view is that Otoucha is the same word as Toanche, meaning the “double landing place,” which, incidentally is not to be confused with the location of the present-day community of Toanche. Rather, it was most likely that Champlain landed at the double sided promontory of Methodist Point in Awenda Provincial Park. However, pinpointing Champlain at any specific spot in Huronia is like trying to life globules of mercury with a fork. With rare exception, it is impossible to pinpoint any of the locations of Indian villages Champlain visited on today’s map simply because there are no remaining demographic landmarks. According to archaelogical expertise, Huronia at this time in the seventeenth century had the largest concentration of Indians anywhere in North America (now estimated to have been about 20,000), but most Huron villages moved any time after a period of ten years and one record suggests there were as many as four hundred villages in the region.
Where is Toanche
As owners and operators of a B&B in Perkinsfield my wife and I were informed by the Chamber of Commerce of an event to take place regarding the voyages of Samuel de Chamlain and his “discovery” of “Huronia.”
While there is some good evidence that Chamlain did arrive on these shores August 1st 1615, there is little to support where and on what shores he described in his writings. (Voyages of Champlain) and it is obvious that he wasn’t first as he met Father Joseph Le Caron at a native village where a cabin was already being built for him.