Friday, February 15, 2013

When distance matters


The following post is a cut paste from an interesting discussion from our Facebook group re the location of St Ignace II. Steve Catlin is the archivist at the Martyrs' Shrine.



Greetings. I have been editing the new Latin letters from the Huron Mission (1634- 1650) taken from L. Campeau's sj Monumenta Novae Franciae and a new distance from St. Louis to St. Ignace II is recorded- 2 miles (2000 paces). It puts the location between Newton and Gervais- looking at google maps there is a plateau surrounded on three sides by different elevation about 1000 feet due west of the end of Neilsen Road. Has this location been excavated? Steve Catlin, archivist, Martyrs' Shrine.Top of Form
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John Raynor Would this interpretation also bring into question the distance between St Louis and St Ignace II
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Steve Ca thats the distance I am talking about...or maybe I am misreading your post.. I think the present st. ignace II is more than 3 miles away.
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Steve Ca ....from st. louis.
The document in question is in MNF 7, number 104. The original manuscript in the Jesuit archives in Rome (ARSI) is Gal 109 I ff. 221- 227, 228- 232; second paragraph of second section (2). I checked a scan of the original document and yes it does say 'two miles' and not two leagues (when I was in Rome for the canonization of Catherine Tekakwitha, I obtained scanned versions of Gal 109 I II III, Gal 110, and Gal 39 for the Shrine archives.
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William J. Gibson Would love to hear about your visit to Rome for the canonization
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John Raynor Where does the 2000 paces that you mentioned come into this interpretation?
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Steve Ca  Hi John, the term mile the comes from millia/mille which is 1000 in latin and french. So a mile is generally 1000 paces (I think that is the origin of the term. And Bill, you can go to my blogspot...catlinatthevatican.blogspot.ca and I was telephoned interview by CTV NEWS so go to their website and search catlin Tekakwitha, it should be up. There is also a youtube of Steve Catlin archivist canonization Rome where I send greetings to the Shrine and Chimnissing Island. Thanks for your interest.
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John Raynor In my read of the JRs the undefined term league is used in most all of the references to distance. The exception to this might be Bressani who may have used the Italian mile as a distance reference on occasion. I had always thought that the Italian mile was shorter than the French or British mile but not as short as 1000 paces or about 1 km. So that would mean that we need to use this shorter distance whenever we read Bressani's work. This would make a substantial difference as to where we sure for sites where Bressani's measurements are used - this would included St Ignace as he was involved in the recovery of the bodies I believe from there and there return to Ste. Marie. I am surprised that A E Jones didn't pick up on this as he was a linguist I believe.
Steve Ca Yes I think the French would use league (the general distance one walks in
an hour- ergo time), the latin documents would use mile, which is more
based on distance. The 1000 paces= 1 mile is more a common understanding of
the term millia.

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John Raynor So how many of the documents of the JRs were written in Latin vs French and what did they pertain to. If the ones in Latin refer to distances I need to re read them with a revised understanding. I think that it was only Bressani's work but I am not sure.
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Steve Ca The JR's are all in French, except the one in italian by Bressani (1653- and I think he wrote an italian one for Father General in 1641), but the letters to Father General in Rome were in Latin (since he did not read French). The JR's were for the French public to devour, the Gallias, Franca, etc were private correspondences which were in latin and have only been printed in Latin in Lucien Campeau's Monumenta Novae Franciae (which also has French documents). There are nine volumes to this work, the last being published post humously. I will be producing the Huron latin letters to the General in Roma and his responses, within the next few months (translator Fr. Bill Lonc sj et al) and the book will be called Latin Letters from the Huron Mission (1634- 1650).
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John Raynor So just to confirm, I need to re read Bressani's work with a view to a 1,000 pace mile when he references distances.
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Steve Ca As a land distance, I would agree. Also, I have read that Ragueneau did not spend much time at Ste. marie but would go to all the mission villages to assist the priests and would spend time with each Christian Wendat so he knew them personally. He travelled the trails very frequently so would know the distances better than the donnes.
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Steve Ca Sorry, it was in his letter to Father General that he uses two miles, May 1st, 1649.
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John Raynor Well you know where I am going with this - but wasn't Bressani's work including his reference to distances used in support of Ragueneau's writings re distance to St Ignace?
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Steve Ca You have most of the info at hand and are very versed, I can only go with what I am reading before me, and I find the two miles shocking to say the least. Of course it may bring into question the location of other villages but my interest at this time is St. Ignace II. I wonder if the distance on between villages on the Bressani map were then made with the two mile rule between St. Louis and Ignace II, if the map were to scale.
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John Raynor A E Jones uses the 3 mile league to justify the location of the villages in question. We would agree that Ragueneau probably used the 2.5 mile or 4 km French/Jesuit league. Bressani then uses the 1,000 pace or 1 km mile and hence we might have an understanding that St Ignace was only 2,000 paces from St Louis. The circle gets tighter and tighter here particularly when it is indicated that Ste Marie, St Louis and St Ignace were equal distances apart as one works east from Ste Marie. This would draw St Louis far closer to Ste Marie than the Newton farm on the Hogg river. 2,000 paces would be well within sight of Ste Marie if the terrain was not too hilly.
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John Raynor Good discussion Steve, we will have to go for a walk in the spring - a shorter walk than the pilgrims do know.
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John Raynor Here is another confusing statement in the notes for vol XVII of the JRs -" 5 (p. 99).— Martin (Life of Jogues, app. A.) is correct in saying that there were two missions bearing the name of St. Ignace. The one captured by the Iroquois in 1649 was apparently thus named but a short time before its destruction (Relation of 1648, chap. ix.); it was not more than five miles from Ste. Marie-on-the-Wye." This note would indicate that St Ignace 1 was only 5 miles from Ste Marie yet the Rosemount Rd site of Ste Marie II is farther than that. St Ignace 1 is reported to have moved closer to Ste Marie, not farther away when it was designated as St Ignace II?

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John Rayno  FYI - the distance from Ste Marie to the site on the hill at the entrance to Port is about 2,000 meters.

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Steve Ca We need to consider the trail route as well. Campeau says that some people remained at the St. Ignace I site when it was attacked along with St. Joseph on July 4th 1648, then some Christians moved to the St. Ignace II site in the fall of 1648. I believe that St. Ignace I was abandoned in the winter of 48- 49 while St. Ignace II remained inhabited. the "Christian St. Ignace II" would be 5 miles away from Ste. Marie while the St. Ignace I may have been further. no probs with adding this info on the blog...My discussion of the location of St. Ignace II is based on the location of St. Louis being accepted. If the distance of St. Louis changes then that would change St. Ignace II as well.

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Thursday, February 14, 2013

Archaeological Field School

MAY 21 TO JUNE 28 2013

On site in Simcoe County and Sudbury, Ontario


STUDENTS WILL LEARN BY:
- hand excavation
- artifact identification
- artifact processing
- mapping
- flotation
- cataloguing

This is a six credit course. Students must be on site from Monday mid-morning until Friday early
afternoon each week. Weeks 1-5 will be offered in Simcoe County,Week 6 will be in Sudbury.

Application Deadline:
March 1, 2013

For more information and an application
Contact -- Dr. Alicia Hawkins
ahawkins@laurentian.ca

Wednesday, February 13, 2013

2871 The Archaeology of Southern Ontario



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Course Details

Learn about the practice of archaeology in southern Ontario.  Join us for an archaeological adventure doing hands-on fieldwork at the Koffler Scientific Reserve near King City.  Participate in actual fieldwork including mapping, surveying and excavating a historic farmstead as well as looking for aboriginal sites. The Koffler Scientific Reserve offers a pristine landscape to examine how human occupations have altered the environment of southern Ontario. It contains 16 farmsteads ranging from totally undeveloped lots to those farmed over a period of time.  In addition, we might discover and investigate First Nations sites on this environmentally sensitive, protected region of the beautiful Oak Ridges Moraine. Learn about the practice of archaeology in southern Ontario.  Join us for an archaeological adventure doing hands-on fieldwork at the Koffler Scientific Reserve near King City.  Participate in actual fieldwork including mapping, surveying and excavating a historic farmstead as well as looking for aboriginal sites. The Koffler Scientific Reserve offers a pristine landscape to examine how human occupations have altered the environment of southern Ontario. It contains 16 farmsteads ranging from totally undeveloped lots to those farmed over a period of time.  In addition, we might discover and investigate First Nations sites on this environmentally sensitive, protected region of the beautiful Oak Ridges Moraine. Classes onsite at the Koffler Scientific Reserve in King Township, west of Newmarket. Limited enrolment. Offered by the Archaeology Centre, University of Toronto, in  collaboration with the University of Toronto School of Continuing Studies.

Notes

Much of the course will be conducted outdoors (3-4 hours per day).
Be prepared for hot and humid, or cool and rainy weather.  We will have access to drinking water and indoor toilets, but be sure to come equipped with hat, sunscreen, water bottle, mosquito repellent and stout walking shoes.  Anyone with bee allergies must inform the instructors and carry their own Epipen. Inquiries should be directed to the instructors at archaeology-at-utoronto.ca.
 
 

Sections

 2871 - 001 The Archaeology of Southern Ontario   
 Spring/Summer - 13 Status:  Available
 
Section Schedule(s):  Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri 10:00AM - 3:00PM 
8 Jul 2013 to 19 Jul 2013
Number of Sessions: : 10
Tuition Option(s):   Flat Fee non-credit    $800.00
Potential Price Adjustment(s):
 
Campus:  King City
Instruction Method: SEMINAR 
Instructors:Margaret Morden Dr. Sarah Stewart, Ph.D.
 Receipt Note(s):  Classes onsite at the Koffler Scientific Reserve in King Township, west of Newmarket: 17000 Dufferin Street, King City, with a one-hour lunch break.  
 

Facebook Page

I have set up a Facebook page in an effort to raise our profile. Some people may find this format easier than using this blog to post events and communicate with other members. This is different than our Facebook group and allows for an effective way to post photos. Like the page and increase its visibility by sharing it on your FB page if you wish.
http://www.facebook.com/HuroniaChapterOfTheOntarioArchaeologySociety?bookmark_t=page

Forensic Archaeology field course - summer 2013



Saint Mary's University (Halifax, Canada) is offering a one-week hands-on field course in forensic archaeology, August 18-24, 2013. This course will teach you field recovery techniques of buried remains as well as the protocol associated with crime scene processing. For more information contact: erickson@ns.sympatico.ca The course has been offered twice and received great feedback from students and professionals alike! The person who has taught the course for the past two years earned a MSc in forensic anthropology and is employed as a Forensic Identification Assistant for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (FIA, RCMP)

Friday, February 08, 2013

The Archaeology of Southern Ontario


2871 The Archaeology of Southern Ontario

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Course Details

Learn about the practice of archaeology in southern Ontario.  Join us for an archaeological adventure doing hands-on fieldwork at the Koffler Scientific Reserve near King City.  Participate in actual fieldwork including mapping, surveying and excavating a historic farmstead as well as looking for aboriginal sites. The Koffler Scientific Reserve offers a pristine landscape to examine how human occupations have altered the environment of southern Ontario. It contains 16 farmsteads ranging from totally undeveloped lots to those farmed over a period of time.  In addition, we might discover and investigate First Nations sites on this environmentally sensitive, protected region of the beautiful Oak Ridges Moraine. Learn about the practice of archaeology in southern Ontario.  Join us for an archaeological adventure doing hands-on fieldwork at the Koffler Scientific Reserve near King City.  Participate in actual fieldwork including mapping, surveying and excavating a historic farmstead as well as looking for aboriginal sites. The Koffler Scientific Reserve offers a pristine landscape to examine how human occupations have altered the environment of southern Ontario. It contains 16 farmsteads ranging from totally undeveloped lots to those farmed over a period of time.  In addition, we might discover and investigate First Nations sites on this environmentally sensitive, protected region of the beautiful Oak Ridges Moraine. Classes onsite at the Koffler Scientific Reserve in King Township, west of Newmarket. Limited enrolment. Offered by the Archaeology Centre, University of Toronto, in  collaboration with the University of Toronto School of Continuing Studies.

Notes

Much of the course will be conducted outdoors (3-4 hours per day).
Be prepared for hot and humid, or cool and rainy weather.  We will have access to drinking water and indoor toilets, but be sure to come equipped with hat, sunscreen, water bottle, mosquito repellent and stout walking shoes.  Anyone with bee allergies must inform the instructors and carry their own Epipen. Inquiries should be directed to the instructors at archaeology-at-utoronto.ca.
 
 

Sections

 2871 - 001 The Archaeology of Southern Ontario   
 Spring/Summer - 13 Status:  Available
 
Section Schedule(s):  Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri 10:00AM - 3:00PM 
8 Jul 2013 to 19 Jul 2013
Number of Sessions: : 10
Tuition Option(s):   Flat Fee non-credit    $800.00
Potential Price Adjustment(s):
 
Campus:  King City
Instruction Method: SEMINAR 
Instructors:Margaret Morden Dr. Sarah Stewart
 Receipt Note(s):  Classes onsite at the Koffler Scientific Reserve in King Township, west of Newmarket: 17000 Dufferin Street, King City, with a one-hour lunch break.  
 


University of Toronto School of Continuing Studies
158 St. George Street, Toronto, Ontario. M5S 2V8 | (Ph) 416 978-2400 | (Fax) 416 978-6666 | learn@utoronto.ca

Thursday, February 07, 2013

The Ontario Heritage Conference 2013

http://communityheritageontario.ca/?page_id=53


AN INVITATION
The Ontario Heritage Conference 2013 happens in Historic Huronia, June 7 – 9, 2013! Our theme:
Rediscover the Past to Enhance the Future, the role of heritage in economic development
Planning is well underway to provide you with can’t –miss learning sessions and tours featuring prominent experts and learned guides. Come and participate in meaningful discussions and activities in conservation, archeology and history. Our keynote speaker will be Dr. Alan Taylor, Pulitzer Prize winner and author of The Civil War of 1812: American Citizens, British Subjects, Irish Rebels and Indian Allies.
Once again, the 2013 Conference will be held under the auspices of Community Heritage Ontario and the Architectural Conservancy of Ontario.
Your hosts are the Local Organizing Committee, including representatives from three local Heritage Committees and other knowledgeable professionals. Municipal support is readily available from the Towns of Midland and Penetanguishene and the Township of Tay. The Conference will be based at our new Midland Cultural Centre, with other venues close by.
You may stay at one of several Midland – area full-feature hotels or charming bed-and –breakfasts. We have negotiated special accommodation rates at several of these facilities.
With your full conference registration you will receive two $15 restaurant vouchers valid at many nearby restaurants. Your registration fee also includes a welcoming pre – Conference get together on Thursday evening, June 6, and dinner on Friday evening, June 7. For an additional charge, join your friends at a gala dinner on Saturday June 8 at historic Ste. Marie Among the Hurons.
We wanted to give you an early reminder to register for an impressive schedule of speakers, workshops and tours. The registration fees are as follows:
Early Registration
Full conference:……………………………..$245
Full Conference – Students:……………….$185
One day only:………………………………..$150
Late Registration
Full conference:……………………………..$295
Full Conference – Students:……………….$225
One day only:………………………………..$175

Register by April 6, 2013 and take advantage of the early registration rates!
Major credit cards are acceptable.
Register at: ontarioheritageconference.ca (open February, 2013)
Meet your friends and develop new contacts at the Ontario Heritage Conference 2013 in Historic Huronia, the cradle of European civilization in Ontario. See you here!
The 2013 Conference Committee
Check out these links:

Wednesday, February 06, 2013

Conference on Iroquois Research




Conference Returns to Onondaga Territory - Central Fire
Hope Lake Lodge - Cortland, New York

The 2013 Organizing Committee is happy to announce that the 2013 edition of the Conference on Iroquois Research will return to
Hope Lake Lodge near Cortland, New York.
Please note that the following are now available online:
  • Abstract Submissions
  • Conference Registration
  • Scholarship Applications

NOTE: Revised 2013 Accommodations & Meal Plans will be available soon.


2013 Call for Papers,
Posters, Research Updates & Film
Deadline: June 1st, 2013

For full detail go to - http://www.iroquoia.org/

Cortland, New York

October 4, 5 & 6